[Electionteam] vote by mail fraud in Los Angeles

[robin gibson]

Ray, Any conversation about vote-by-mail fraud should include a
conversation with Bev Harris, who found it all across the country many
years ago. What she had not yet found in 2008 was HOW it was perpetrated.
We found that here in LA.  Another person is Gentry Lange who's an EI
activist who ran for Secretary of State in Washington, an all VBM State.

I can personally attest to it in Los Angeles County in 2008. It has nothing
to do with the 2000 mules hypothesis, but everything to do with the
Registrar's office in the County of Los Angeles.

I can attest: A group of some 200 volunteers were present at the polls as
observers, and helping voters who were unable to vote for various reasons.
Some of us also held a call center, at a home, to help voters who had
difficulty voting, report problems to the Registrar's office, etc.

After the election, we had a large amount of data from polling places
across the county. We were not looking for vote-by-mail fraud, but we
certainly found it.

The main issue the volunteers came across on election day was a huge number
of voters who could not vote at their precincts and voted provisionally.
Those provisional vote issues were not equally spread across the county,
but concentrated more in some precincts.

We took the 7 precincts with the most voting problems, and analyzed them.
Seven was the number because of the cost of obtaining materials (poll
books, etc.) from the Registrar's office, and the number of people/"woman
hours" we had.

It took some time, as we ordered documents which raised questions, ordered
more documents, which raised more questions, etc.

The number one reason people were forced to vote provisionally at their
precincts was that a VBM had been handwritten next to their names in the
pollbooks. None of them had requested or received VBM ballots. In fact, The
Democratic party in LA County, and perhaps across the state (chime in
please CA Ep advocates) was pushing VBm hard even back then, and earlier.

 I remember my shock that instead of the official documents used to change
an address or party affiliation, which were signed under penalty of
perjury, piles and piles of half sheets of letter sized paper, on which the
switch to VBM was xeroxed, were available in the registrar's office and
given to anyone interested (groups who were registering voters, for
example).  Any other change to voter registration required official forms
and a signature under oath.

Anyone was permitted to xerox as many copies as they wanted to, fill these
out and mail to the Registrar or drop off. As we later found out, no
signature checks were done. The documents needed to change address or party
were serious official documents. These were not.

When we eventually obtained the documents switching the voters to VBM, they
had all been filled out by the same hand. We spoke with the voters from
these precincts, and were permitted by some to obtain copies of their
registration documents at the registrar's office, and the documents
switching them to VBM (which were forgeries).

The number of voters for whom we obtained all documents was small because
of the time it took us to find out what was happening here. It was 2 months
after the election when we understood. Most of these voters were Latino,
and/or independents.

But here is the shocker. In some cases, the provisional ballots cast by the
voters were not counted. The votebymail ballots were. I prefer to be quiet
about how we confirmed that. Those of you who have done any in depth work
already know.

And, unfortunately a local advocate mentioned what we found before we were
ready to go public with the information. (We were working with Bev, using
her methods, including working quietly.) A local advocate spoke out about
our findings, and all of the documents we had used to find the fraud were
converted to digital documents, so that they could no longer be obtained in
the future, by our Registrar.

This is one of the reasons it is SO very important to return to paper poll
books and voter registration!  Digital signature matching is rather
ridiculous unless specialists are hired, which is not the case. The person
who switched all of these voters to VBM, did not even try to copy their
handwriting. They simply signed all of the voter changes in one signature
repeated over and over.

I assume, because there were so many, all done by one person, that this was
done from inside the Registrar's office. had it not been, it would have
been found out by the workers staffing the voter registration office who
are, or were, very serious election personnel. This is not new.

The strong push for vbm by the d party started well before 2008, and was in
full swing in 2008. As for Ray's question, re how to determine who gets to
vote by mail; that is simple. It was fine before this push for VBM. Anyone
with physical mobility issues or who can not be present on election day
should be permitted to VBm. That is all. A note from a healthcare provider
or proof of a journey would suffice.


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